Cop who shot man in his own home actually held accountable for said shooting.

"SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman" (dasborgen)
10/01/2019 at 15:20 • Filed to: None

It’s a sad state of affairs when an open-shut case surprises you by its outcome

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DISCUSSION (44)

facw > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman
10/01/2019 at 15:27

Good. There never should have been any question, but this was the right verdict.

CB > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman
10/01/2019 at 15:27

Good.

NKato > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman
10/01/2019 at 15:29

The DA did his God damn job for once. That's an Excelsior for him.

Spanfeller is a twat > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman
10/01/2019 at 15:29

The shooting is unjustifiable.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman
10/01/2019 at 15:31

Terribly sad story, all around, but glad his family’s getting justice.

Murder charges are further divided based on the severity and other circumstances surrounding the crime. While many states separate murder charges into first and second degree murder, Texas law makes a distinction between “capital murder” and “murder.”

In order to be charged with murder, the defendant must have knowingly and willingly caused the death of another person . The biggest distinguishing factor between murder and manslaughter involves the intent of the perpetrator. If the defendant intended to cause serious bodily harm or death, or intended to commit a felony other than manslaughter that resulted in death, he or she can be charged with murder.

The distinction between capital murder and murder is made when the killing was committed in a way that can result in capital punishment in Texas. Some of the criteria for capital murder include killing a police officer or firefighter, having been paid to commit murder, murdering someone in prison, or killing more than one person.

Arrivederci > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman
10/01/2019 at 15:34

She can be sentenced for 5-99 years, which the jury is deliberating now. I’d be careful in calling it a win until we hear the sentence.

SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman > Arrivederci
10/01/2019 at 15:45

It’s still a win

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Arrivederci
10/01/2019 at 15:55

She made a terrible, stupid, deadly mistake. I don’t believe she should spend the rest of her life in prison.

NKato > Arrivederci
10/01/2019 at 15:55

It’s a win because the conviction means she can't hold a job as a LEO ever again.

NKato > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
10/01/2019 at 15:57

I concur, but her lack of concern for Mr. Jean should be an aggravating factor in what sentence she receives.

She never once attempted to render aid, and was more concerned for her career. When an officer thinks that way, they are unsuited to the job.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > NKato
10/01/2019 at 16:01

I can’t argue with that.

What do you think is an appropriate sentence in this case?

NKato > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
10/01/2019 at 16:04

Given the age of the victim, I’d say 4 0 to 50 years.

Tekamul > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
10/01/2019 at 16:10

She can get back to her life the same day he does.

Arrivederci > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
10/01/2019 at 16:17

Agreed. But if sentenced to five years, she’ll be out in about 30 months. That doesn’t seem like justice either.

Arrivederci > NKato
10/01/2019 at 16:18

Not if she only serves 30 months in jail.

Arrivederci > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman
10/01/2019 at 16:18

Not if she only serves 30 months in jail.

Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz) > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
10/01/2019 at 16:19

I was prepared to argue this with you but I thought about it more and agree, to an extent. Should she be sentenced to spend the rest of her life in prison, no; if she dies in prison while serving a shorter sentence than life in prison , oh well.

I do believe that given the situation sentenced to anything under 40 years is inappropriate. Under 30 years is a joke. Under 20 years is criminal.

Mercedes Streeter > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman
10/01/2019 at 16:27

Guyger’s attorneys argued that Guyger reasonably believed she was in her own apartment when she shot Botham Jean. But she wasn’t in her apartment. She was in HIS apartment. Guyger went into a black man’s apartment and shot him to death, while he was watching TV and eating ice cream, and claimed that the shooting was justified because she thought she owned the place.

THAT was her defense? I mean, dumber things have happened before (see: “Affluenza” kid) but did they seriously think that was going to work?

NKato > Arrivederci
10/01/2019 at 16:28

Mandatory minimum in Texas for murder is 5 years.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > NKato
10/01/2019 at 16:31

Seems too harsh for me, honestly. A 10-20 year sentence (5-10 served for good behavior) would be fair in my mind, though police officers should be held to a higher standard, so maybe 20 (10) is actually more appropriate.

Regardless, it’s a murder charge, with real time (being an ex- cop in prison is no joke...), and no slap on the wrist.

NKato > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
10/01/2019 at 16:35

No. 5-10 even with good behavior is too lenient.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > NKato
10/01/2019 at 16:44

Should there be riots in the streets if she “only” gets 20 years?

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > Mercedes Streeter
10/01/2019 at 16:45

Texas has laws on the books that make it legal to use lethal force against someone who has entered your home under certain circumstances . She had already admitted to shooting and killing him so they had to come up with something to try to claim that a murder isn’t a murder.

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
10/01/2019 at 16:51

Why is killing someone in prison a capital offense while killing a free person not?

NKato > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
10/01/2019 at 16:54

20 is cutting it close...

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > TheTurbochargedSquirrel
10/01/2019 at 16:54

No clue. To attempt to keep order in the prisons, I guess. Every prisoner knows that if s/ he kills someone (probably intentionally or not), they’re never getting out or getting executed.

facw > TheTurbochargedSquirrel
10/01/2019 at 17:00

I’d assume because if you are already in prison, being sent to prison is not necessarily much of a penalty. Opening up the death penalty as an option thus provides and additional disincentive.

Mercedes Streeter > TheTurbochargedSquirrel
10/01/2019 at 17:06

Oh I know about that Texas law...just, it’s still an idiotic defense. lol

promoted by the color red > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman
10/01/2019 at 17:24

But did the judge think about whether or not she could enjoy a steak dinner?

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > Mercedes Streeter
10/01/2019 at 17:26

If stupid is your only hope, you try stupid.

McMike > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman
10/01/2019 at 17:46

Cop or not, she broke into somebody’s home and killed them .

facw > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
10/01/2019 at 18:00

This feels about right to me. This was bad, but it’s not like this was something she planned out or anything., which I think should be a big mitigating factor in sentencing. The flip side is that it does appear that she didn’t even attempt to render aid (and then lied about that), instead reaching out to her partner/boyfriend and then her supervisor instead of even trying to save her victim. I definitely think less than a 10-year sentence would come across as lenient to me.

DipodomysDeserti > TheTurbochargedSquirrel
10/01/2019 at 18:41

And on top of that, why does profession play a role in how bad your murder is considered?

DipodomysDeserti > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
10/01/2019 at 19:04

Not sure if you saw her text messages about the MLK parade, but this lady was a piece of shit. She wasn’t even on the correct floor of her building. She deserves at least life in prison.

DipodomysDeserti > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
10/01/2019 at 19:05

An ex cop in prison who killed a black guy will have no problems obtaining protection from the Aryan Nation. Plenty of cops who go to prison join their ranks.

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > DipodomysDeserti
10/01/2019 at 19:07

I think if you are getting paid to kill people you have probably done enough illegal things that they might as well lump them all together.

DipodomysDeserti > TheTurbochargedSquirrel
10/01/2019 at 19:15

I meant why is killing a cop or fireman capital murder, but killing a teacher isn’t? The cop at least has a means to defend himself and the fireman gets to work out all day.

Khalbali > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman
10/01/2019 at 19:53

As glad as I am, you just know if she had been on duty responding to a noise complaint or some BS they would never have even charged her.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > DipodomysDeserti
10/01/2019 at 21:58

No, I didn’t...

pip bip - choose Corrour > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman
10/02/2019 at 01:03

good

Arrivederci > NKato
10/02/2019 at 07:37

Right, which I said above. When do you think she’d be paroled for good behavior?

SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman > promoted by the color red
10/02/2019 at 08:41

AdverseMartyr > DipodomysDeserti
10/02/2019 at 10:04

Well, my guess would be that they hope potential murderers have read the law, and know that successfully killing the police officer trying to arrest them will mean they might die, but surrendering is a much lower sentence... so perps will just not resist.

Not sure why firefighters are lumped in... maybe so that people being rescued from their burning home won’t defend their castle to the last man ala the Alamo.

DipodomysDeserti > AdverseMartyr
10/02/2019 at 11:04

I think it has more to do with the notion that emergency responders represent a separate class of citizen.

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